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a day later, karl rove tried to backtrack. in a statement, rove said, i was ask fundamental i could see a republican presidential candidate supporting gay marriage in 2016, and i said i could. i was not asked if i could see the republican presidential candidate or the gop presidential nominee." as for the latest "washington post" poll showing the country's support of marriage equality at an all-time high, the religious right's gary bauer sounded a familiar note. >> do you worry that this only puts the republican party further out of touch with the mainstream of american voters? >> no, i'm not worried about it, because the polls are skewed, chris. >> the polls are skewed. not but five months ago, republican poll deniers were in full swing. and we know how far that got them. let us bring in jonathan turley, a professor of constitutional law at george washington university, jonathan capehart, opinion writer for "the washington post," and ryan grim, washington bureau chief for the "huffington post." ryan, i can't believe we're tal
a day later, karl rove tried to backtrack. in a statement, rove said, i was ask fundamental i could see a republican presidential candidate supporting gay marriage in 2016, and i said i could. i was not asked if i could see the republican presidential candidate or the gop presidential nominee." as for the latest "washington post" poll showing the country's support of marriage equality at an all-time high, the religious right's gary bauer sounded a familiar note. >> do you...
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so i think there's a chance that karl rove might not have been too off on that one. it's perhaps one of the things i agree with karl rove on. >> of course that is exactly what the strategy seems to have been in the last two election cycles is to write off vast swaths of the population. jonathan, i want to talk about the politics of this before we have to go. that is, obviously on the democratic party side, i mean, this is kind of a, you know, no brainer gate issue i would say for someone seeking the nomination on the democratic ticket. on the republican side, though, i'm not sure i agree with karl rove that the person who is their nominee would be an advocate. it certainly seems like it's going to be a much tougher issue in 2016 for someone seeking national office, given the numbers that chad was just talking about. >> very tough for someone on the republican side to not be in favor of marriage equality? >> correct. i mean, given the fund-raising issues. this is an area where republicans are raising a lot of money. it's obviously an area where vast swaths of the popu
so i think there's a chance that karl rove might not have been too off on that one. it's perhaps one of the things i agree with karl rove on. >> of course that is exactly what the strategy seems to have been in the last two election cycles is to write off vast swaths of the population. jonathan, i want to talk about the politics of this before we have to go. that is, obviously on the democratic party side, i mean, this is kind of a, you know, no brainer gate issue i would say for someone...
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karl rove signaled there could be a major shift in his party's outlook. >> karl rove, could you imagine a republican candidate saying i'm for gay marriage? >> i could. >> the supreme court begins arguments on it, the legality and one benefit to endorsing the notion with one strategist te telling politico opening up the idea will open up donors around the country. >>> zuckerberg is forming an issues advocacy organization focusing on comprehensive immigration reform. >>> rand paul doesn't want to legalize drugs but doesn't want them to go to jail either. >> the last two presidents could have conceivably been put in jail for drug use. it would have ruined their lives. it got lucky but a lot of poor kids don't get lucky. >> pending senate bill would give judges greater flexibility to work around mandatory minimum sentences for those crimes. >>> claire mccaskill is throwing her support behind same-sex marriage saying it's the right thing to do. >>> president obama will host a seder dinner. he became the first sitting president to hold seder at the executive mansion back in 2009. >>> oscar de
karl rove signaled there could be a major shift in his party's outlook. >> karl rove, could you imagine a republican candidate saying i'm for gay marriage? >> i could. >> the supreme court begins arguments on it, the legality and one benefit to endorsing the notion with one strategist te telling politico opening up the idea will open up donors around the country. >>> zuckerberg is forming an issues advocacy organization focusing on comprehensive immigration reform....
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which is, you have some people saying look, karl rove. saying our party may move towards this by 2016. there's plenty of people, aka the base of the party who don't think they should ever move that direction. does it divide the party? and where do they wind up? >> i can imagine there's a republican rand paul that would be for gay marriage before 2016, but not many mainstream republicans coming out. i think we're still a few years away from that. it's demographic. a lot of old folks in the republican party that comprise the worker bee base of the gop,thy do the phone calls, they do the envelopes. they are culturally very conservative. very traditional and they're not going to come around to gay marriage at least not in the very near future it may happen down the road, i think you're going to find serious puckbash among the conservative base of the party. who by the way provide a lot of votes to republicans. on this issue. keep in mind, a lot of republicans vote for the party because of the cultural issues, not the fiscal issues. it's not b
which is, you have some people saying look, karl rove. saying our party may move towards this by 2016. there's plenty of people, aka the base of the party who don't think they should ever move that direction. does it divide the party? and where do they wind up? >> i can imagine there's a republican rand paul that would be for gay marriage before 2016, but not many mainstream republicans coming out. i think we're still a few years away from that. it's demographic. a lot of old folks in the...
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karl rove in the black trunks. what a tussle. >>> let me finish with the circular firing squad now assembled in the republican party. it's a beaut to watch. this is "hardball" the place for politics. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. heart-healthy, whole grain oats. hey, buddy? oh, hey, flo. you want to see something cool? snapshot, from progressive. my insurance company told me not to talk to people like you. you always do what they tell you? no... try it, and see what your good driving can save you. you don't even have to switch. unless you're scared. i'm not scared, it's... you know we can still see you. no, you can't. pretty sure we can... try snapshot today -- no pressure. >>> tonight president obama is traveling to israel in his first foreign policy trip since winning re-election. tomorrow he'll met with israeli prime minister benjam
karl rove in the black trunks. what a tussle. >>> let me finish with the circular firing squad now assembled in the republican party. it's a beaut to watch. this is "hardball" the place for politics. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. heart-healthy, whole grain oats. hey, buddy? oh, hey, flo. you want...
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karl rove in the black trunks. what a tussle. >>> let me finish with the circular firing squad now assembled in the republican party. it's a beaut to watch. this is "hardball" the place for politics. as your life changes, fidelity is there for your personal economy, helping you readjust along the way, refocus as careers change and kids head off to college, and revisit your investments as retirement gets closer. wherever you are today, fidelity's guidance can help you fine-tune your personal economy. start today with a free one-on-one review of your retirement plan. [ female announcer ] stress sweat is different than ordinary sweat. it smells worse. get 4x the protection against stress sweat. introducing new secret clinical strength stress response scent. mr. wiggles and curling irons. for the little mishaps you feel, use neosporin to help you heal. it kills germs so you heal four days faster neosporin. also try neosporin eczema essentials. >>> tonight president obama is traveling to israel in his first foreign poli
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sarah palin and karl rove mixed it up. rove returned fire after palin took shots at him and his group american cross roads which hope to weed out of the candidates in the 2016 primaries. >> the last thing we need is washington, d.c. vegt our candidates. the architects can head on back to -- they can head on back to the great lone star state and put their name on some ballot. >> well, first of all, i live in texas. i don't live in washington. and second of all, i'd say if i did run for office and win, i'd serve out my term. i wouldn't leave office in midterm. >> ahh. the theater. let's bring in republican strategic rich galen, former director speaker for newt gingrich we also have former governor ed rendell. when sarah palin was making her remarks, apparently atlugd karl rove. do most americans agree with sarah palin that karl rove is part of the problem, not the solution. >> that's the kind of snarky sarcasm that i think the country sees coming out of the republican party. it's not helpful. it's not forward-looking. there'
sarah palin and karl rove mixed it up. rove returned fire after palin took shots at him and his group american cross roads which hope to weed out of the candidates in the 2016 primaries. >> the last thing we need is washington, d.c. vegt our candidates. the architects can head on back to -- they can head on back to the great lone star state and put their name on some ballot. >> well, first of all, i live in texas. i don't live in washington. and second of all, i'd say if i did run...
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my bet is that the political marriage of these two groups, the karl rove crowd who love winning elections and the abolitionist wing who'd rathder fight thand switch are in for a prolonged separation. progressives, enjoy it while it lasts. 2014 will be tough but once these two gangs, the palin and rove crowds have to meet again in 2016 it's not going to be pretty. it sure as hell isn't going to be marriage. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >>> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, ten years after the start of the iraq war, too many on the right still don't get it. ten years ago tonight president bush announced the u.s. had started bombing iraq. he did this despite the millions of us who marched in the streets demanding that he stop beating the drums of war. the bush administration sold the war using the worst kinds of falsehoods and fearmongering. >> but we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. >> the checks alleged that the attacker met in prague with a senior iraqi intelligence offi
my bet is that the political marriage of these two groups, the karl rove crowd who love winning elections and the abolitionist wing who'd rathder fight thand switch are in for a prolonged separation. progressives, enjoy it while it lasts. 2014 will be tough but once these two gangs, the palin and rove crowds have to meet again in 2016 it's not going to be pretty. it sure as hell isn't going to be marriage. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being us. "politics nation"...
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buck up, karl. take a big gulp. you have a long week ahead. we are joined now by msnbc political analyst, former senior adviser to the president, david axelrod live with us from phoenix, arizona. good afternoon, sir. >> martin, good to be with you. >> it's been suggested that you and your team were responsible for defining mitt romney and the republican party over the course of last year. in fact, both mr. romney and mrs. romney have complained that they were negatively defined by the president's campaign. but don't the events at cpac this weekend prove that if anyone's responsible for the ugly, noninclusive brand, it's the party, itself? >> yeah, i think mitt romney's problem began with the party whose nomination he was seeking. he made so many accommodations to try to get that nomination. you know, self-deportation, i'm going to kill planned parenthood, and so on. that he literally walled the party and himself off from a lot of voters in the general election. this, i heard chairman priebus say today that they're a big tent party, and in the
buck up, karl. take a big gulp. you have a long week ahead. we are joined now by msnbc political analyst, former senior adviser to the president, david axelrod live with us from phoenix, arizona. good afternoon, sir. >> martin, good to be with you. >> it's been suggested that you and your team were responsible for defining mitt romney and the republican party over the course of last year. in fact, both mr. romney and mrs. romney have complained that they were negatively defined by...
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they would karl rove as their political hench men. the vote was scheduled on the eve of the elections deliberately. i don't want to let democrats off the hook. 29 senate democrats voted to authorize the use of force. some apologized later like john kerry. some brave people came out against it as you showed. barbara boxer, dick durbin, paul wellstone, but there is a tendency among democrats that really worries me. it's to act as though maybe their patriotism is possibly going to be called into question and they're always appeasing these bullies who question their very americanness and we saw that over and over at 9/11 and particularly in the run-up to war. it was a little bit frightening to be against the war as i was. we weren't really singled out and ridiculed, but we were right. they will go down in history as having done the wrong thing. it requires a lot of vigilance to make sure nothing like that happens again. >> given what the congresswoman said earlier, are we still at risk despite their bold and creative witness of a march to
they would karl rove as their political hench men. the vote was scheduled on the eve of the elections deliberately. i don't want to let democrats off the hook. 29 senate democrats voted to authorize the use of force. some apologized later like john kerry. some brave people came out against it as you showed. barbara boxer, dick durbin, paul wellstone, but there is a tendency among democrats that really worries me. it's to act as though maybe their patriotism is possibly going to be called into...
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. >>> meanwhile, it's another conservative clash as sarah palin ridicules karl rove's reaction to the last election. rove wastes no time firing back. >>> also today, a deep dive. previewing president obama's trip to the middle east this week. will expectations grow for a major peace plan progress before the end of his presidency? >>> good morning from port aransas, texas. >> it's monday, march 18th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." >> now here's chuck todd! >> big thank you to maddie and noah salazar. on spring break at port aransas, texas. first reads of the morning. by the way, see the beach when it's sleeting behind me is kind of a nice little picture there. >>> right now republican party chairman reince priebus is unveiling his own autopsy of what went wrong in 2012. while the report blames the process more than gop prince ips or policy position it also admits more problems than you might expect. >> there's no one reason we lost. our message was weak. our ground game was insufficient. we weren't inclusive. we were behind in both data and digital. and our primary debate process n
. >>> meanwhile, it's another conservative clash as sarah palin ridicules karl rove's reaction to the last election. rove wastes no time firing back. >>> also today, a deep dive. previewing president obama's trip to the middle east this week. will expectations grow for a major peace plan progress before the end of his presidency? >>> good morning from port aransas, texas. >> it's monday, march 18th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." >> now...
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karl rove was asked about republicans and marriage equality this weekend. >> karl rove, can you imagine the next presidential campaign, republican candidate, saying flat out i am for gay marriage? >> i could. >> though some republicans are softening on marriage equality, rush limbaugh remains a valiant defender of the defense of marriage act, and of course, just as valiant a defender of divorce, rush limbaugh who at this hour is not yet divorced from his fourth wife offered this push back against republicans supporting marriage equality. >> so why would the republican establishment be supporting it? maybe that's a question that i'm not supposed to ask. but i'd like to know if the issue would lose, as it always has, if left up to a vote of the people, then why are the republicans for it? if it's a losing issue, why not let the democrats own it. the republicans are in a totally defensive posture, think they're losing because they're not enough like democrats. >> joining me now, msnbc analyst, former mccain adviser steve schmidt, one of 131 republicans to sign onto an amicus brief supporti
karl rove was asked about republicans and marriage equality this weekend. >> karl rove, can you imagine the next presidential campaign, republican candidate, saying flat out i am for gay marriage? >> i could. >> though some republicans are softening on marriage equality, rush limbaugh remains a valiant defender of the defense of marriage act, and of course, just as valiant a defender of divorce, rush limbaugh who at this hour is not yet divorced from his fourth wife offered...
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but sarah palin taking on karl rove in a thinly-veiled jibe at rove and rove come back on fox news. >> if they feel that strongly about who gets to run in that party, then they should buck up or stay in the truck, buck up and run. the architects can head on back to -- they can head on back to the great lone star state and put their name on some ballot. >> if she can plan primaries other people can plan primaries. i don't think i'm a particularly good candidate, a balding foot phat guy and if i did run for office and win, i would serve out my term, i wouldn't leave office mid-term. >> ouch. >> is palin still a factor? she brought the crowd to their feet on saturday afternoon. >> i don't think she's a factor at all. i think she's just an amusing reality show to watch. >> she accused the president, she said that the white house is a reality show. this is a woman via mark burnett did her own reality show and she accused barack obama of having a reality show. >> she's got a tart approach and she gives a good show, reality or not reality. but i don't think she's a serious political factor i
but sarah palin taking on karl rove in a thinly-veiled jibe at rove and rove come back on fox news. >> if they feel that strongly about who gets to run in that party, then they should buck up or stay in the truck, buck up and run. the architects can head on back to -- they can head on back to the great lone star state and put their name on some ballot. >> if she can plan primaries other people can plan primaries. i don't think i'm a particularly good candidate, a balding foot phat...
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. >> well, my opinion is that folks like, you know, the coke brothers and karl rove and people who believe like that, they have a different vision of america. they believe that the rich don't have enough money and the poor have too much. they believe that we're not our brother's keeper. they believe that the environment is a thing you can use and use and use and never have to worry about. they think that, you know, not everybody's equal and not everybody has a fair shake at american life. they just see it differently. but the american people, the majority, the overwhelming majority, you know, believe that people should have a shot. the economy should work. and people should be able to marry who they're in love with. >> now, let me bring this note to you that is not harmonious with all of this. senator rand paul, ted cruz and mike lee hand delivered a letter to senator harry reid's office today. and it read, quote, we the undersigned intend to oppose any legislation that would infringe on american people's constitutional right to bear arms. we will oppose the motion to proceed to any legisl
. >> well, my opinion is that folks like, you know, the coke brothers and karl rove and people who believe like that, they have a different vision of america. they believe that the rich don't have enough money and the poor have too much. they believe that we're not our brother's keeper. they believe that the environment is a thing you can use and use and use and never have to worry about. they think that, you know, not everybody's equal and not everybody has a fair shake at american life....
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karl rove on abc this morning. the two plans lawmakers will take up when they come back from spring break. the senate budget passed early yesterday. could not be more different than the house version. according to the "new york times," the senate plan calls for nearly $1 trillion in new taxes, modest cuts in government spending but leaves the government with $566 billion in annual deficits over the next ten years. the house plan balances the budget by 2023 with big cuts in domestic spending and major changes to medicare and the tax code. charlie rangel, new york's most famous congressman, is here with me. former chair of the house ways and means committee. start with the chasm between the two plans. is there room for compromise at all between the senate and house plan? >> the major difference is that, obama and most of the country that voted for him really thinks that a time of recession that we're coming out of it that we should be creating jobs and not laying off people just with cuts. that is the difference. the
karl rove on abc this morning. the two plans lawmakers will take up when they come back from spring break. the senate budget passed early yesterday. could not be more different than the house version. according to the "new york times," the senate plan calls for nearly $1 trillion in new taxes, modest cuts in government spending but leaves the government with $566 billion in annual deficits over the next ten years. the house plan balances the budget by 2023 with big cuts in domestic...
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i'm just saying, we don't need to have a karl rove monopoly this year. what he did in 2002, pretty damn remarkable and also in 2004. he got 2006 completely wrong. >> he has a what not to do litigation, right? >> maybe so. >> i'll say one thing. the way in which karl got things wrong was a problem within the republican party. most republican polsters, almost all, where exactly where he was thinking that mitt romney was going to win. so that problem is a systemic problem. the party got it wrong across the board. >> you know why? because they lived inside their own media bubble. >> i agree wmt. >> at the end of the day, karl rove lived and breathed inside the media/conservative bubble. >> it's hard to find an alternative. it's hard to find someone either a strategist or polster in the republican party who is out there yelling at the rest of the party. you guys are all wrong. it's hard to find somebody who is right within the party. >> you know what i started saying in early september. we were going to lose. >> yeah. >> i got absolutely savaged. i was absolu
i'm just saying, we don't need to have a karl rove monopoly this year. what he did in 2002, pretty damn remarkable and also in 2004. he got 2006 completely wrong. >> he has a what not to do litigation, right? >> maybe so. >> i'll say one thing. the way in which karl got things wrong was a problem within the republican party. most republican polsters, almost all, where exactly where he was thinking that mitt romney was going to win. so that problem is a systemic problem. the...
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. >> i think actually, karl rove ironically deserves a lot of the credit for it. in 2004, the republican party put a bunch of anti-gay marriage issues on different state ballots to drive out evangelical voters. what it did is it took an issue that had not necessarily been partisan before and turned it into a deeply part son one. that meant that democrats now had to decide whether they were against gay marriage, for gay marriage, for civil unions, against civil unions. as soon as you make the democratic party decide on a civil rights issue, they will shift eventually -- it's going to take some time, but they will eventually get there. what you saw is rapidly over the next several years, the democratic party moved in favor of gay marriage. once gay marriage then became legalized in different states, people went to weddings, people bought gifts, people's relatives and friends started getting married, and they saw that the institution of marriage wasn't any better or worse than it was before this happened. the sky didn't fall, and now you're seeing the polls surge as
. >> i think actually, karl rove ironically deserves a lot of the credit for it. in 2004, the republican party put a bunch of anti-gay marriage issues on different state ballots to drive out evangelical voters. what it did is it took an issue that had not necessarily been partisan before and turned it into a deeply part son one. that meant that democrats now had to decide whether they were against gay marriage, for gay marriage, for civil unions, against civil unions. as soon as you make...
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so you see people like even karl rove trying to move beyond this, ken mehlman, raince priebus, the head of the rnc. but at the base we've still got the same republican party out there. and that's going to be the challenge. how do you tell the people out in arkansas, tennessee, oklahoma, that suddenly were a party in favor of gay marriage. >> isn't that the problem, the elites within the party and political people who have to win elections that evolution on this issue opens them up potentially to votes from younger americans, but the base of the party isn't evolving on this issue, are they? >> that's right. so the elites recognize they need to change and when the republicans issue the report describing where the party needed to go, gay marriage was prominently mentioned. that and immigration were the two issues where they took a position that we need to change that position. but the other thing is that the elites never cared very much about gay marriage or social issues. although the republican elites are all about the money. the base is where the intensity on the social issues are. >> s
so you see people like even karl rove trying to move beyond this, ken mehlman, raince priebus, the head of the rnc. but at the base we've still got the same republican party out there. and that's going to be the challenge. how do you tell the people out in arkansas, tennessee, oklahoma, that suddenly were a party in favor of gay marriage. >> isn't that the problem, the elites within the party and political people who have to win elections that evolution on this issue opens them up...
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rove. >> the last thing we need is washington, d.c. vetting our candidates. the architects can head on back to -- >> they can head on back to the lone star state and put their name on a ballot. >> i would say if i did run for office and win, i would serve out my term. i wouldn't leave office mid-term. >> the kind of fracas that sees ted cruz take on john mccain. >> we had an eminent member of the republican party describe me as whacko bird. if standing for the constitution makes me a whacko bird, then count me a proud whacko bird. >> the kind of intraparty donnybrook featuring ann coulter versus ann coulter. here is what she said two years ago. >> if you don't run chris christie, romney will be the nominee. and lose. >> and here is ann coulter this weekend, landing one squarely on the jaw of the very same guy she once wanted to elect president. >> even cpac had to cut back on his speakers this year by about 300 pounds. i'm now a single-issue voter against amnesty. so christie's off my list. >> the next national election is still 596 da
rove. >> the last thing we need is washington, d.c. vetting our candidates. the architects can head on back to -- >> they can head on back to the lone star state and put their name on a ballot. >> i would say if i did run for office and win, i would serve out my term. i wouldn't leave office mid-term. >> the kind of fracas that sees ted cruz take on john mccain. >> we had an eminent member of the republican party describe me as whacko bird. if standing for the...
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i was amused by karl rove's musing on the weekend that he could see the 2016 republican nominee, you know, expressing openly his support for gay marriage. i don't believe -- >> that's funny because rove ran that ohio campaign. 2004. >> right. exactly. i don't believe at this point that that is necessarily going to be the case. my caution is this, to the democrats. not that i'm one to caution democrats too much. but, you know, there's one thing to see a poll that says 58% support this, 80% appoint that. that's not necessarily translated into votes yet. and let's just see how this plays out in a ballot box. remember, state legislatures are acting in a way that's consistent with what they're hearing and seeing from their constituencies in their districts. so let's just be a little bit cautious. i take jonathan capehart, our colleague, to heart when he says, you know, let's be cautious in our optimism and enthusiasm here because the supreme court is one thing. >> i agree. >> the ballot box is something else. >> because as threatened a the conservatives get in this country, i mean threate
i was amused by karl rove's musing on the weekend that he could see the 2016 republican nominee, you know, expressing openly his support for gay marriage. i don't believe -- >> that's funny because rove ran that ohio campaign. 2004. >> right. exactly. i don't believe at this point that that is necessarily going to be the case. my caution is this, to the democrats. not that i'm one to caution democrats too much. but, you know, there's one thing to see a poll that says 58% support...
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finally one quick question about karl rove. he is also on the side of saying we got to do something about these tea party whackos who get these guys elected and then they can't win in november. >> yeah, it was amazing how many shots got taken at karl rove at cpac. sarah palin, and [ inaudible ] from the conservative media watchdog group -- i'm blanking on the name, i'm sorry -- >> bill: the media research -- >> media research center. thank you. it's pretty amazing how quickly he was able to isle leen at it a lot of those tea party folks. a lot of them probably didn't like him in the first place, but it's amazing -- and he did sort of back down from some of his stuff originally where he was -- that conservative victory project that founded -- after that first round of comments he was helping and hawing on how much they would be getting involved in these primaries and whether or not they would be going after people like steve keg who looks like he is going to win any primary in iowa. >> bill: all right. kevin robolard is a report
finally one quick question about karl rove. he is also on the side of saying we got to do something about these tea party whackos who get these guys elected and then they can't win in november. >> yeah, it was amazing how many shots got taken at karl rove at cpac. sarah palin, and [ inaudible ] from the conservative media watchdog group -- i'm blanking on the name, i'm sorry -- >> bill: the media research -- >> media research center. thank you. it's pretty amazing how quickly...
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we'll get karl rove's thoughts on that. see you in ten minutes on america's newsroom. >>. >> gretchen: parents of a 14-year-old boy are outraged after their son became the target of peta. he wanted to raffle off a cow but in return the animal rights group sent him photos like these women wearing bikinis made of lettuce. here is the email. it seems strange to me that you feel that someone needs to die for you to go on a school trip. i feel we can agree there are other humane ways that don't involve a dead chopped up corpse. joining me is logan and his father. >> good morning. >> gretchen: logan, you wanted to raise a little money to go on a trip, right? >> yes. >> so i understand you sold tickets at ten dollars apiece. did you ever think you would get a response? >> i never knew about that. >> gretchen: scott is the father i know you have six kids. it was too expensive for you to come up with the funds for your child to be able to do this trip. he was going to raffle off his cow, do you think he would have a problem with it?
we'll get karl rove's thoughts on that. see you in ten minutes on america's newsroom. >>. >> gretchen: parents of a 14-year-old boy are outraged after their son became the target of peta. he wanted to raffle off a cow but in return the animal rights group sent him photos like these women wearing bikinis made of lettuce. here is the email. it seems strange to me that you feel that someone needs to die for you to go on a school trip. i feel we can agree there are other humane ways...